and from the streets of chicago to the halls of congress the debate continued today as wayne lapierre testified in senate hearings on gun violence. a question to wayne lapierre, dick durbin pointed directly to chuck's gun store. >> purchasers buy the guns there and they end up in the hands of criminals in chicago. we have to put an end to this. mr. lapierre some of your colleagues tell me senator you don't get the amendment. do you agree with that? >> if you look at why our founding fathers put it there is they lived under the tyranny of king george. >> jennifer: so there needs to be more guns in chicago to protect the citizens from the government, in this case the police who are trying to keep them safe. all of this in the name of freedom? what about a 15-year-old's freedom from being shot on the way home from school. then the senator responded. >> well, chief johnson you have heard it. the belief of the nra is the second amendment has to give american citizens the fire power to fight back against you. so how do you conduct your business in enforcing the law in not knowing what is be